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A topic by Playcebo created Oct 07, 2023 Views: 19,536 Replies: 160
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I absolutely loved this. I printed out a copy for my mom (who is also a fan of puzzles) before I was even finished. She laughed out loud when she got to 6. The dwarf planets clued me into to most of the tricks (I like astronomy), and 9 is the first puzzle I totally completed, but I didn't actually figure out what the bottom clues were until I only had puzzles 1, 2, 11, and one word of 3 left. Puzzle one definitely gave me the most trouble, but it took me longer to realize that puzzle 2 was also zodiac, (which was hilarious). Everything came together so beautifully at the end. A wonderfully crafted puzzle.

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Good game! I realized there was a metapuzzle almost immediately (also that's part of how I found it in the first place), got inklings of what it was near the end, made a second copy of the file, figured out Puzzle 11's gimmick pretty quickly because I happen to know the names of plutoids off the top of my head, and had a lot of fun. It took me most of an evening.

If I have any criticism it's that Puzzle 1 is (still) too hard, but, maybe that's the intended difficulty? There's definitely other stuff in here where you'd need to know trivia to connect it to the theme, like with HAUMEA and QUARTZ, and the theme for Puzzle 1 can't be too obvious. I ended up solving 12 first by guessing and then going back and doing 1.

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Brilliant game. So clearly a work of love. <3

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Stumbled upon this game thanks to a reddit post and oh my goodness this was such a wonderful game! I ended up solving pretty much everything on puzzle 9, except for the bottom right corner hints (which I completely forgot about for a few puzzles) and the backwards final solutions (which I worked out on question 8). Everything else went very smoothly, with some fun "aha!" moments thrown in there thanks to puzzle 11. The only part I felt was a little tough was Puzzle 1 having the required first letter L be in the top right corner - none of the puzzles have hidden letters in the remainders (except for 12 but thats part of its puzzle) so it feels a smidge illogical. I could have easily missed an alternative solution though.

Overall such a wonderful gem of a puzzler, thank you for creating it :)

Developer (2 edits)

Thanks! 

Yes, the L is always hidden. In case you missed it (though it sounds like you didn't), you can logically deduce it by using the L10 clue. You can also deduce it in puzzle 12 with no ambiguity (if you know "_acking any"). Early versions of the book had another hidden leftover in puzzle 5, but I removed it when remaking that puzzle. If I do another update, I might foreshadow the mechanic early on using a partially-covered leftover letter.

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Beat it together with my gf, so good! I thought it was quite funny that the only thing we had to research was puzzle 1, it somehow is the hardest which suits its position in the overall puzzle. Thanks for making!

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This was amazingly well put together. Excellent work! I look forward to playing whatever you create next :)

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My gf and I just finished the game and we loved it. My only criticism is that IMO "zodiac" should appear twice in puzzle 11, one for puzzle 2 (chinese zodiac) and one for puzzle 10 (western zodiac), otherwise, puzzle 11 has one word less than all the other puzzles which breaks the rules/consistency. I wasted a bit of time looking for a way to fit a twelfth word in puzzle 11 because of this. Also, isn't the "total words count" 143 then?

Developer

Glad you enjoyed. Zodiac is in there twice: One is ⅃-shaped (on the right-hand side), the other is circular (on the left-hand side), crossing other paths diagonally. You probably got the easier one early on and forgot about it.

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Ooops! I did have both, sorry 😅 Thanks for your reply and thanks again for the game, it was really fun to play :D

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Great puzzle book so far but i cant figure out the category to 1.. i assumed it was "Cookies", But thats no where near 8 letters.. Unless i'm dumb and thats the category covered up by the blue splotch next to the half covered z6

Edit: Yep- thats it- the clues at the bottom of the page are in order of the puzzle categories. the c8 i thought was gonna be similar to "cookies" is actually "Category" because thats the 11th thing on the bottom, and this is the 11th puzzle-

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late to the game but just saw a video recommended on YouTube and decided to play before watching.


what an awesome game! I’ve sent it to several friends and recommended it to cracking the cryptic also.


loved the multiple journeys through the puzzles.


and having the same word twice in puzzle 11 was hilarious! I thought I’d gone wrong so many times.


loved it

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That rocked! Spent an extra about 20 minutes trying to figure out why there was an extra a, and kept thinking the end wasnt "message" because of it, before finally realizing it was "a message."


I loved the foe carton, made me certain I was on the right track! :) I did all of them up to 0 according to their most basic form first. Then it gave me LOK vibes, and I saw it was an inspiration after I did 0, so I tried to solve a bunch of things by jumping gaps and doing wrap arounds, like SIRE, and the Rules, before finishing a couple of the other puzzles and being confused why it hadnt been used (I solved 9, 4, then 7, while thinkin that the rule was "only self crossing is allowed" and that you were able to wrap and jump gaps like LOK). Then I went to back to three, got stumped for a really long time, had some wacky stuff going on, and finally tried enter crossing question. That was when I had an epiphany, went and fixed Rules, and then solved the rest.

Im excited to play more of your puzzles, this was an amazing experience! :))))

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Same as merpederp (fellow Lingo enjoyer?), I found this game via Olexa and went to play it before watching the video. Was not disappointed.

Definitely has LOK vibes, perfectly captures the sense of discovery and having to go back to previous puzzles.

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Fully solved 8 or 9 of them and my interest came to a screeching halt when I realised solving number 1 would involve me having to locate a list of cookies that includes everything the dev included. When the first couple didn't include the palindrome one already given that was me out. That or sit googling ' cookies that begin with b, cookies that begin with s' which either way, nah. Shame, was having a lot of fun until then.

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I feel that. I  didn't know that it was about cookies until I looked up "how are jumble fortune and oatmeal related" and it gave me the Wikipedia page for cookies. Whole list of all the cookies you'd ever need.

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I somehow managed to stumble my way through the word searches and get all the words found, except for the second to final search (with palindrome and timepiece). Though, knowing how the formats and everything worked, and using the list of words found for the 12th search to reverse engineer the missing piece, I was able to solve the final word search. (I still haven't gotten that 11th puzzle completed though)

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Just finished it (almost, still some work to do one puzzle 1), 3:20am where I live, I absolutely loved this game. Usually word searches are boring because they're too easy, this was not the case here :) Overall excellent game, I'll recommend it to my wordgames-enjoying friends

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I just finished this and really enjoyed it! Excellently done! I had seen it recommended by Board Game Blitz on Youtube. I did version 1.23 on paper.

I found puzzle #1 to be the hardest part. After I tried to do all the crosswords, and went back and changed my answers on them after realizing the words could bend etc, I used puzzle #12 to help me figure out what the leftovers were on the puzzles I hadn't finished yet. Then after getting the final message, I didn't trust that I was actually done lol because I had no idea what the letters and numbers at the bottoms of the pages were and assumed they were an additional puzzle to do after the word searches. I came here to find out how to use those clues, and I used them along with like four lists of cookie types to finally finish word search #1 haha! 

Anyway that was really fun and I didn't want to put it down to go to bed last night! Great work!

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very fun! printed it off and did it with a pencil

somehow managed to do the entire thing without realizing that specifically the right-hand side of the dividing line had mirrored words, just figured that “some” of the words were mirrored. and totally fell for the TH–E misdirection in the numbers puzzle. worked out in the end since most words don’t make sense mirrored and I figured you wouldn’t have me looking for made-up words 😌

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Really enjoyed your puzzle. It started out so cryptic! But once I realized what was going on with the second puzzle it all fell into place. Also this was my first time going through a puzzle in PDF form but it all worked out very smoothly so I gotta check more out.

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Hey, a thousand "thank you"s for this wonderful game. I had a blast solving it, even if it cost me my sanity (I literally stayed up until 3am trying to finish it, but it was so worth it). The first one was the most difficult because I'm French and half of the "items" listed here don't exist (or they go by an entirely different name).

I have some ideas to make a French version of the game, would it be alright if I did it? Of course it would be free, you would be mentioned as the sole creator and there would be a link to your itch.io page. I already made some headstart, I got the final message all found out. I know I can make something good and very close to yours. But I won't make it until you give me the thumbs up.

Thanks again for this game, it is - by far - the best pen and paper game I played!

Developer

Absolutely, go for it!

Feel free to let me know if you have any questions while designing it. My main advice is to place words in a stretched-out shape (like the planets were) rather than bunched in on themselves (like "rooster" was), when possible. And also that puzzle 2 will likely be the toughest to design -- make sure that the player feels confident they solved it "correctly". Also, I recommend picking an obscure Otagedaugnel, perhaps leaving it as-is. But feel free to change the words and even the themes as needed! Oh, and puzzle 8's words are listed chronologically; I tried to put all the lists in some sort of order, but puzzle 1 is not. Puzzle 1 can perhaps be listed alphabetically, but IMO it's more important that the shape of the visible word list feels natural, not like it has gaps in it. Okay, I think that's about it!

Thanks! I'll do my best!

Damn, I didn't even realised the words were listed in a certain way (except for the numbers and the months)... My objective here is to make a game as close to the original as possible, so I'll make sure the translated words lists are correctly arranged.

And thanks for your advices, they're greatly appreciated! 

I just have one question regarding the shape of the grids: I figured the timepiece one has the shape of a watch and the solar system one is... Well, it's obvious, really. But what about the Chinese zodiac, or the numerals? Does the shapes all have a meaning or did you make them like this just based on the number of characters you had to put?

Developer

Chinese Zodiac's shape has no meaning, it was just based on the number of characters and the highly-constrained shape of the words. Feel free to reshape it.

Numeral is a #, as in a "number sign" (like "#1").

Developer (2 edits)

Here's a recent (very messy!) version of the game files you can use, and a few quick notes on all the grids and word lists. 12WS - shared

Most stuff is fine to change if needed, the most important thing is the word list order for puzzles 11 and 12.

Oh, and my typical process for puzzle layout (excluding puzzles 1 / 2 / 5 which must be built around red herrings) is to start with a cute gimmick or two like the shape of Question Mark, and build the rest of the puzzle around that while minimizing ambiguous word placement. (e.g. having two Ds to choose from for the end of DEIFIED.)

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Wow, I didn't expect that many notes and advices, thank you very much! You sir are a true gentleman.

I'll keep you updated on my progress, I hope having some time to work on it during the summer.

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Hello,

Sorry, I forgot to keep you updated on the translation... Anyway, it's finished! 

Here are the pdf and some notes about the translation

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lktkme7VdOxySfNfUUU0sU4qupidtTn7

It's not out officially yet, I wanted to know what's your preference:

1: I post it on my own itch.io profile (which I created especially for this) but, as always, by crediting you as the creator of the game

2: you post it on your profile as the French version of your game (and I remove my itch.io address on the front page)

Let me know what you want to do (if you still want to do it).

Developer (2 edits)

Wow, this looks incredible! Puzzle 2 and the final message seem perfect, I was worried they'd be impossible to get right. I played through levels 7-10 and they seem great as well. Puzzle 7 was actually a lot of fun to do without knowing french -- the logic for KAYAK is really great, seeing the k clue and connecting it to the only possible other k. I think I made the palindromes too easy in my version.

I greatly enjoyed the words ESERPACATROT and NOIL, and SPAM is a good choice for a red herring. I was happy to see the Obelisk shape and the two half-fish-half-hourglass things. Oh, and the scorpion stinger blot! I almost missed it. Great blot shapes overall, mine were a bit repetitive and chaotic.

I assume it's just a coincidence, but I like that the center of #9 apparently spells "I thought" in Portuguese. (In mine, I made it so the center would say "Le remains" as a vague hint, in terrible half-french, to look at leftover letters in reading order.) It also worked out nicely that BALANCE and MARS get to appear twice -- I wonder if that'll make #4 easier or harder!

It looks like you pretty much got everything important in there -- and even some little things like KEY/TOUCHE being a confusingly vague category name! I just noticed two potential errors:

  • What word is the first P11 on puzzle 1? That slot should match the gingerbreadman glyph, but PAINDEPICE is 10 letters long.
  • #10 seems to have an extra S in SESTERCESS... unless it's "poissons"? (Incredible anadrome by the way!)

And then I have a few small suggestions:

  • To make the other fake blots on puzzle 5 feel more fair, add a silly fake blot in the corner after t18 (as though it could be t180).
  •  I would add a glyph to puzzle 8. Perhaps something like [image]
  • CANCER can initially be placed 3 different ways (in the same general area), which is valid but may be annoying. (Jupiter's ambiguity, in contrast, feels okay IMO because it has a nice orthogonal shape.) That said, maybe it's useful to have suspiciously ambiguous placement at that point in the book.

When you're ready, go ahead and put the book on your own account, so you can update it or respond to feedback if desired, and have a French comment section. I will link to it in the description, probably "French translation available at chapeltok.itch.io/whatever". Feel free to keep your chapeltok.itch.io link on the title page if you like.

Thanks again for making this! It was kinda wild to see my own book but different, and I'm glad more people will get to play it. (My next puzzle book will be much, much easier to translate.)


By the way, I got most of my anacycles/anadromes/semi-palindromes by piecing together bits from https://foxhugh.com/word-lists/list-of-heteropalindromes/ and some list of palindromes I forget. As for BONE-based timekeeping, I think I got it from https://www.history.com/articles/ancient-timekeeping. Wikipedia categorizes these bones as "tally sticks" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tally_stick) and Google says "tally stick" would just be "baton de pointage", so BATON is good!

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Thank you, glad you enjoy it! And thanks again for your trust, translating your puzzles was a wonderful experience! I may already have told you, but 12 Word Searches was easily the best pen and paper game I had the pleasure to play, and the first  "metroidbrainia" paper game I played. 😉

About your notes:

  • You're right about CANCER, I didn't realise it could have multiple solutions. I'll check that out.
  • For p11 in the first puzzle, it's spelled PAINDEPICES, with an S at the end
  • The same goes for POISSONS in puzzle 10: always an S at the end when it's the astrological sign
  • Good idea for the ink blotch on puzzle 5, I'll add it 
  • About the Portuguese "I thought" on puzzle 9, well... No, this one is purely a coincidence 😅 
  • And many, many thanks for the drawing, that's a gorgeous tome of gap! I suck at drawing - very badly - so I think I'll just take yours as is. 😁


I'll make the final changes this week, and a landscape version too, and I'll post them on my account. I'll tell you when it's done.

Developer

Great! The vector graphic for TOMEDECART is in the same folder I shared before (12WS - shared).

I truly love it, thanks !

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OK, it's officially done, the French version is online!

https://chapeltok.itch.io/12-mots-meles

BTW, I tried to email you but I may have the wrong address...

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This was really wonderful, super elegant design and I loved how the later puzzles recontextualised the earlier ones :D

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Seems like our journey was quite different to several people here! Maybe because the puzzle's been tweaked (we were playing version 1.25) or maybe because we're used to Mystery Hunt style puzzles. We spotted the cryptic numbers at the bottom of each puzzle and considered a few interpretations, though we progressed through puzzles 1-3 in the normal way (MOBSTER, RESET etc). We were carefully noting down each letter that was obscured in case those spelled something. It was around puzzle 4 or 5 that we realised what the letters at the bottom mean (it helps that we're veterans of Edrith's Quizzes that use the same notation, and puzzles 4-5 are two of the easiest sequences to spot) - though even there there was some reconsideration of inferred rules because 4 can be solved in "ortho-Boggle" style with no diagonals, but 5 can't. At that point we went back and solved 2-5 in the true way, though we still had no idea what to do with 1 or 6. Around this point we had the idea to start highlighting leftover letters and found the connection to the bottom-right clue as well. From that point 7, 9 and 10 were straightforward (though 10 played some fun tricks with the blobs); we'd realised some of the words are listed reversed, but 9 was I think the clearest confirmation that it's specifically the right-hand words that are mirrored. We'd been expecting a metapuzzle so solved 11 fairly easily, and found 0 didn't really tell us anything new - only confirmed the rules we'd already inferred. Then on about the third or fourth look back at puzzle 1 we finally worked out what 1 was doing (I've only heard of one of the five given kinds of cookie, but thankfully my wife reads American recipes) and knocked that one out. 12 was a very satisfying conclusion, drawing everything together, and so delightful how the final extraction could only by solved by combining three strands of "leftovers of 12", "traceable string in 12" and "English letter patterns". Amusingly, the one thing we missed until the final page was the count of answers - we hadn't noticed that there were exactly twelve words to find in each puzzle, even though we'd found them all!

Thanks so much for making the puzzle, and now we're very much looking forward to trying the sequel :)

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