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Build 0.3 General Discussion

A topic by Minoh Workshop created May 12, 2020 Views: 8,733 Replies: 97
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Developer (2 edits) (+3)

Hey! We are putting up this thread for anyone who wants to discuss the upcoming build — speculate, throw ideas, share memes, whatever you want!

Here's the pre-release Q&A where we answered the questions you sent!

If you want to check Build 0.3's lore drops, Lanwolf96 compiled it all here.

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Ok, I think we would see more relationship progress between MC and Asterion (hopefully). I hope the hotel management system would be fun. 

About idea,..., I... I want to sniff the bull and worship his body. It was too good of a chance to pass. 

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I completely agree. 

Developer(+3)

I am allowed to inform you that in build 0.3 the player can incidentally sniff the bull one (1) time.

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ooooh... sounds fun

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I think you would prefer ask him in marry next time, no? Heheh

Just weird. It reminded me of a bull guy with same name that I l.... .

Better I forget it. It hadn't a good end.

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aww... thats sad. (hug)

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*The cat closes his eyes purring.*

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Would there be an achivement system or other kind of system so we know what we got and what we didn't got in game? Since 0.3 has so  many variables

Also will Kota's red dragon show up? in 0.2 he had a teaser icon

Will one of Lucas relatives visit the hotel in the future(near or far)?

Argos is more of the "that guy" or a "nice when you get to know him"?

In future customization section,will Asterion have beards?

Will speedrunner route continue to be this cringey?

Will  we get closure of the creatures that "forgot" their passports at the hotel?

Will cerberus statue have a meaning in the future?

Sorry for bad English

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Also will Asterion have a toga in future like in some images i found?

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For those who took the humanities/leader dialogue option with Argos, will he be more difficult to deal with now that he knows MC can outsmart him? Or will he be more respectful towards us? Is there any way to convince him not to torture Asterion? The poor guy's been through enough...

I do get the feeling that Asterion's hiding something though. Why would he go to the afterlife after death and work for and talk with Hades if Athena was intent on torturing him for all eternity? Did he do something while with Hades? Is it something Argos hinted at? All Asterion has told us so far is that he's being punished for being born a monster and his "cowardice" in the face of Theseus. 

I also get the feeling that there's more to Jean than he's letting on. A *lot* more. He seems to believe in the Hotel's mission, yet Asterion has never mentioned him. He guides people to the Hotel, claims he's a deliveryman, could that be in the sense that he's delivering staff to the hotel? But why would he do that? Who set him up to do it? He doesn't look old enough to have worked with the previous masters, nor does he look like an ageless mythical beast. I have a very loose theory though, that demigods don't age like humans do and that guilt plays a major part, but I feel like that's a bit of a stretch at the moment.

I really like the music too. The Seikilos Epitaph is somewhat mournful and slow which sets the mood perfectly, and the more happy energetic music that Asterion gets whenever he happily talks is wonderful. 

I also echo the stuff people have said above, I wanna see Aterion and MC's relationship develop (hopefully romantically, if he's ready for that? I'm a sucker for the big guy having a crush on the little guy), and to actually find out what happened to the Old Gods and what will happen if we try and twist the powers of the hotel to breaking point to  help Asterion, against their will. Plus I kinda wanna see Asterion get protective of us if we're advanced upon by Luke...

I look forward to the new update and the ones in the future! Asterion is such a sweetheart, I don't want anything bad to happen to him!

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I second all of the above. I'm itching to know too.

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Now that i thinking about it . There is one person in greek mythos who match Jean perfectly that would actually want to help the Hotel without wanting to gain anything from it , Hermes . Could just be a coincidence .

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^^ I agree with Fenris. I wanna see the mc and Asterion's relationship develop. I also wanna see Asterion get protective over the mc. 

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that would be interesting  to see a

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I hope to see get to have fun with the snake even perhaps a 3 way with  the mc and Asterion

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Erm.. Not sure that's such a good idea given the history of abuse between Argos and Asterion and Asterion being terrified of even going near him (for very good reason). Argos' whole reason for existence is to torture Asterion

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Will you be able to have sex with Kota or Luke?

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Highly unlikely. Considering that the only route will be Asterion's. Said so by Minoh. 

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i said sex not romancable route

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what a chad fucking answer

no, sadly the MC won't fuck or romance the other guests. It would bloat the scope of the game WAY too much. You can get some of the guests to hook up with each other, though!

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"won't fuck or romance the other guests"
but argos isn't a guest :eyes:
i love that shithead, specially after you trick him twice

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Does anyone know which of the points/terms of the Argos contract is the one we can contest, and win? I think I'm doing something wrong... And it's messing with my playthrough. 

Developer(+2)

It's Article 4!

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Oh, thank you! :) 

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Yes, about that... for some reason, Article 4 doesn't say anymore what the MC says it says. I seem to remember, on my very first playthrough of the previous build, it did say that Argos could inspect the hotel premises. But on all subsequent playthroughs, that section is suddenly missing from Article 4. Is that just me? Could that be a bug? Like, once the MC calls Argos out, Article 4 is changed, even for unrelated future playthroughs?

Developer(+2)

This is the article in question. The statement that causes trouble is the "The Master and Foreman are symmetrically bound this Article, including but not limited to not using Hestia's Mirror to bring harm to the Foreman."

Is it possible you are overlooking this particular sentence?

Regardless, I'll check this out in-game as soon as possible. Thank you for bringing it up to us.

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Ah, I see now. I thought it had been stated more explicitly in my first playthrough, as in: outright saying Argos could inspect the hotel grounds.  But I must have remembered it wrong.  Sorry for the trouble!

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What background is the more developed? The Arts one? 

Developer(+1)

Right now the Humanities, Arts and Speedrunner backgrounds are the ones with the most unique content. The Leader background has some overlap with Humanities. Humanities and Leader can trick Argos, Arts can talk with Asterion about Notre Dame in Build 0.2 and Speedrunner can make a medallion  for him — which, although amateurish, is appreciated and cherished.

We are looking into adding some time to shine to one background per build. You can expect to see Math, Tech and Leader having some special moments in the upcoming content.

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I had a thought and it brought a quite persistant doubt to my mind that refused to be left alone. Asterion's wine heals him, however in Ch 2 he uses the last bottle. What are we going to do if he gets hurt and needs the wine? Supposedly that was the last bottle, and Clement was thorough in destroying the others....  Also it seems I found a bug in the humanities route, Asterion remains naked after summoning him clothes, though apparently it said he changed clothes. 

Developer(+2)

The labyrinth can generate more wine bottles, but how that's done is not something the MC knows about yet.

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Ahh, ok. Got it. Thank you. 

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Greta is the true antagonist of Minotaur Hotel. She's that one coworker nobody wants.



Real talk though, great update, exactly what I was waiting for. Can't wait for more of big boi Asterion.  And more hugs 🤗

To comment on the R&D/Explore system: it's fine but I'll wait for more updates to it before completely judging it. I'll admit I was a little confused cuz I thought maybe assigning Asterion to Guests would get more guests in, but I don't think it had any effect aside from some dialogue changes. There is the obvious oversight of the dialogue acting like you haven't managed to set up internet when you already have. Also I don't know how Danger works, is it a random chance that increases with the number? Is 0 Danger completely safe? Is there a reason to R&D past 5/5 points or does it only count when the story requires you to research something?

I do think the lore drops are a nice addition, I'd like to read all of them eventually. Though it's easy to "reroll" and see any one you want by saving and loading right before the point where you obtain the drop, but that's not really a big deal imo.

Developer(+3)

Thank you for your input.

I do think the lore drops are a nice addition, I'd like to read all of them eventually. Though it's easy to "reroll" and see any one you want by saving and loading right before the point where you obtain the drop, but that's not really a big deal imo.

Although it may sound counterintuitive, even if we didn't intend that I consider that a good unintentional feature. We didn't have to pack the game with so many lore drops this early but everyone's cooped up at home, so adding in more stuff to give the game more shelf life felt like the morally correct thing to do — I think we can all use some fun and distractions. At the same time I personally think making the player replay the game twenty times from scratch to see it all is a bad thing.

Being able to reroll easily/abuse/exploit the system for now is good thing, then. There's extra content but the player doesn't have to throw hours at it. We might fix that later, but for now I'm glad that's possible. Thank you for bringing this up, by the way — I wasn't aware that was possible.

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hoooo boy im really gonna enjoy this!!

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i tried the last build and i couldnt install it, hopefully it will work now

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Why does the game in each build that comes out encourage us to send Asterion to the valley? I WILL NEVER DO THAT, Asterion is too precious for this world ;O;
I adore Asterion's personality in the matter of not knowing what to do when he receives unconditional love, is an interesting and very touching monologue.

Excellent update, this story is very original and the way it is narrated and the situations are precise, not so long and very varied, it is like reading a harry potter book, I never get bored!

Waiting for a patreon

Greetings

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Well, this was definitely worth the wait.

Asterion continues to be such a conflicted, compelling character. I loved it when he loosened up and joked around with MC, despite him being pestered to no end by a *particular* guest. I hope we have many more opportunities to make him happy in the future. He seems so confused by the idea that MC would put his happiness above his own, truly adora-bull. The development of their relationship grows in a very romantic yet organic way, from just trying to make him laugh to physical, almost intimate contact by them just holding each other's hands. And the hugs at the end, dear god my heart. I love seeing his confidence grow. I want to keep him far. FAR away from that valley. 

Speaking of the valley, I loved the narration in it in particular. The valley bending to the Master's will is compelling. Argos too was especially intriguing, his reaction to being tricked was both satisfying and surprising. I definitely like him more as a character now. The same can be said for Luke and (I'm assuming, need to do the other route) Kota. I'm glad Asterion and other characters get that interaction time without MC being present. It adds dimension to his character, rather than him just being an extension to MC. 

The R&D and Exploration mechanics were interesting, definitively have to run through it a few times to get all the texts. I am especially curious about the ones that detail Asterion's life, is there any way to target them in particular? On a side note, I chose to use Hades' shrine, as he seemed to be the one that was the most merciful to Asterion out of the lot of them. I want to know more about the ancient shrine in the valley though, the one Argos thinks that Asterion built.

And I really can't talk about the update without mentioning *her*. I will not speak her cursed name, but you know of whom I speak. Honestly I did enjoy her character, she was brilliantly written as the typical full-on overbearing... person. Very, very fun character, as was Ismael. Such a fuckin weeb. 

I heard as well that you implemented the VIP room music, and Asterion's hum was the Seikilos epitaph again! I love that piece of music. 

I'm sorry I haven't been able to give much constructive criticism, I'm just completely enamoured with this update and Asterion as a character. I love this world you've made and all the characters in it. I can't wait for more!

Also, got Great Bronze Peacock as ranking in the end, what are the other rankings available? 

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Hey Fenris, I'm very happy to see you enjoyed the update!

The rankings depend on you good (or bad) you've been to Asterion. It's a little more clear now (I hope) with the line bar: as your affection increases you go from calf, to snake, to peacock. Within those you get bronze, silver, gold and platinum as you go up, with Great and Grand indicating if you're halfway between these.

If you've been a very uncaring master you go past below calf and start earning points in the opposite direction, that's when your ranking changes from Great/Grand to Fearsome/Ruthless. So, Fearsome Silver Snake is lower than Grand Gold Calf, which is lower than Great Silver Snake. It's a little confusing but it's a fun way for us to track how affectionate players are being to Asterion on averagem, as opposed to printing a number on screen and telling you to remember it and write it down on the survey.

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Asterion makes me want to buy him a Nintendo Switch and see how he reacts to playing Animal Crossing

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Or the Sims! Pokemon would probably hit too close home, considering you capture them... 

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As there have collectable elements, will you add a Gallery for that in the main menu?

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BTW, is it normal or unlucky if I get 1 Mementons(Sixteenth Tablet: Ritual) only, other than the Wine bottle and Internet Access?

Developer(+2)

That's an idea to consider! I will talk about it with the rest of the team. Thank you.

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Well, I have finished two runs of the game so far, pending a third once my phone charges, and I'm loving it.  Getting to know Asterion and see his side on so many things, made me want to hug him. I think I will start to compile the lore drops in a document so I don't have 60+ saves with all of them, so far, I have loved the ones I have found, they make the world seem more ancient and complicated.  I loved the little details about the Shrines, still got a few routes to see, but, it was nice. And without spoiling anything, I liked what you did with Argos if you do a few things, it make him more likable to me and perhaps I will try to balance the moo and the snake to see if a happy compromise can be made. The art was very emotional in a few of the scenes, thank you for making those nanoff.   Anyway, I think that's all I wanted to say, good work Team MInoHotel

Developer(+1)

We had a lot of fun writing that Argos scene, and thank you :)

When you prepare a document, if you want to discuss it with others you could start a thread here in the game's page and I could have it pinned.

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Sure let me get it all sorted out and I'll let you know

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Agreed, Argos' "what the heck" face when you trick him is priceless. And his attitude afterward is also nice. Makes him a little harder to dislike, which is a good trait, I think.

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Is there a way to see the image above of Asterion of build 0.3 thumbnail in a larger resolution? 

Developer(+4)

There you go!

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Thank you. I'm on android so if it was on the thread it didn't show before. Looks wonderfully gorgeous. And those big moo pecs, makes me want to bury my face on those glorious pecs of his... 

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I am not sure were else to mention it so I figured I would do it here. I have played through several times now. To try to see different results. Perhaps it is because I am starting from the same earlier save file but I have noticed that the tech points the characters get from research are stacking. Even when I load old saves. Like I do a play through their tech points go up then I load a saved game play through and they have the tech points from last time plus whatever they earn this time then I can load an old save and continue this. I mean that on saves before anyone has done anything with technology they are getting the tech points from finished play throughs. Like I believe Kota started at 3 tech points, I played through he got to four. I loaded an old save and he was still at four before doing anything with tech then he got +1 from research to five. I loaded an old save before he did anything with tech and he started at 5 then got +1 on the playthrough. And this continued. I have done this enough now that even if I load an old save game Kota now has 6 or 7 points in tech, like he is some super tech wizard, his very first time doing research. I doubt that you meant for this to happen. Also, in case it is needed I have been playing the tech route with these save files. So, I just thought I should mention it.

Developer(+1)

Thank you for mentioning it! So far you are the third person who has stumbled on this bug. We were informed of it shortly after releasing the build so nanoff ran off to fix it — the currently available build should be free of this issue.

When did you download the game? Was it on the night it came out?

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So whats the max rating in this build? Got great gold peacock and that one missing notch on the diagram for it is triggering my ocd.

Yes, gold is the max now. 

I keep trying to get the max, but I keep ending up with Great Silver Peacock. What do I have to do to get the max?! Can someone help?

I got gold after I replay and didn't keep asking for him to talk to much about something. But I am not sure with in the 2nd or 3rd part of it. Maybe this is some before choose to make his fur white. I think if you ask for more info the second or third time you lost one. Well, if you send him to the valley a single time the same happen.

I do not think this is need but try to get the snake tricked. So he act so weird happy. If not with medals it may help in the next update.

Getting the right contract paragraph and the offer to gods in the hotel.

Don't tell the guests he is the hotel keeper.

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Hello sangre- yes, great or grand gold peacock is the best rating you can get currently.

On the first two chapters you have to get 4 out of 6 and then 2 out of 3 choices correctly to increase your score, but it's difficult to fuck it up honestly, just be considerate and you'll be fine. A big no-no you should avoid is helping him with the bath though, he won't appreciate it.
Don't send asterion out to the valley of course, after encountering Argos you get the option to comfort asterion if you've been nice to him, needless to say do it, and promise not to send him to the valley.
On chapter 4 players with the arts background get an extra interaction about Notre Dame that raises the score a little.
When you choose clothes for asterion, don't dress him undecently. There's plenty of alternate dialogue if you choose the loincloth and try to bullshit him about how it's back in style (or not and just force him to wear it anyway) but he'll quickly catch on that you were lying when Luke or Kota come to the hotel, and won't be happy about it.
Don't keep asking about how he was tortured.
As for fur color. you should ask Asterion what color he'd rather be at first, but after that whatever color you choose won't change your score.
You should intervene in the argument between Kota and Luke, and introduce Asterion as either "our fine host", or "a man."
When giving Asterion an accessory, players with the speedrunner background get a third option that raises the score a little more than the other two.
Again, don't send sterion to the labyrinth either time. Your score will get even worse if you promised not to do it before, and even further if you insist on Asterion sticking around when you go to the valley together.
Asterion should be in the R&D team when the internet project gets completed.

The one point in which your score really matters is what outcome you get by the end of build 0.3, which will come into play in 0.4:
-> if you never sent asterion out and got a peacock rank or higher, Asterion will be happy but somewhat melancholic about whether you will stick to being this good to him
-> if you sent asterion once but really did your best to make up for it, or never sent him out but didn't score high enough, Asterion will be optimistic about your term as master and looking forward to having an amicable partnership with you.
-> if you sent asterion twice or more, or just once and never made up for it, Asterion will have a panic attack and shut down emotionally
So- you're on the right track, don't worry too much about it. To be honest the score is not super important, it's a good indicator for us to know where players stand at the end of each build on average. I still appreciate that you enjoyed the game enough to give it more than one go, so thank you.

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Thank you so much for the help, I managed to get Great Gold Peacock and Grand Gold Peacock when I chose the Arts background, which raised the score. By the way, I absolutely love Minotaur Hotel, it’s by far my favorite visual novel. Keep up the great work and I cannot WAIT for Build 0.4!

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I should preface this by saying: I really love this game. The following is not meant as criticism and certainly not as a bad review.

So, confession time, and SPOILER ALERT. I have now tried a few variations on sending Asterion out to the valley. And let me tell you, it was a very rough read, especially since I know the morally right variations from several previous playthroughs. Even if you just send him out one time, and do your very best afterwards to make all the right choices, it just makes your heart sink in your chest. He won't trust you, and his mental health takes a serious turn for the worse.
And it worsens with any further morally wrong choice, which is just pityful and frankly difficult to watch. In one version, his sanity is utterly destroyed in the end, and I cannot even fathom how things are supposed to proceed from there.

The thing I didn't quite expect to happen at all though is that the MC can change as well. Not just making mistakes because he's naive, mind you. Given the wrong choices, he is starting to give off some unsettling Clément-like vibes, which is pretty much Asterion's worst fear. And it made me feel extra seriously bad, because it was my choices that made this happen.
("What do we say if someone gives us a gift?" AAaaargh, nononono, ick ick ick, I need a long shower to cleanse myself of this!)

Again, all this is very well written, and clearly a lot of serious work has gone into this, but consequently it just left me feeling genuinely bad for Asterion.

I guess my recommendation is... if you know you react sensitively to any of this, and, like mine, your original instinct was to never send him to the valley... well, that might just be a good instinct.

Again, love the game, can't wait for the next build - but as far as I am concerned, Asterion is staying the hell out of that fucking valley from now on.

Developer(+7)

You have your heart in the right place, you're a good guy. If it makes things more palatable for you, the knowledge of the bad that could happen will make the good that will happen all the sweeter.

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This sounds like a fun time. I need to see this route for myself. So I just need to send Asterion to valley, fail the snake trials, fail the research and bully the bull.

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I was going to ask here about what would happen if you make him go out there. I just can't bring myself to doing it. Thanks for telling, now I can simply enjoy helping Asterion heal instead. I love the game too <3

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I sent him 3 times to the valley. The 1st time is the only one rough. You only going to see the most effect in the end of this 0.3 update after get the wine. I think. (Maybe I played Echo too much and end insane... =@.@= )

But I saw 4 different versions of it depending of how many times you send he out and when.

You will lost medals in the like record showed in the end of the last update for each time you sent him to the valley.

Remember that you have different reactions from the snack guy too if you get the right artigle and some other stuff  right It is kind comical.

The snake is really precious, actually. He's clearly a bad guy, but with his attitude and the way he reacts to being tricked... I look forward to seeing him even so. I hope you can trick him all through the game and get that "what the hell, I've been fooled!" expression often! :)

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