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Water Coherence - Experiment and Research Project

A topic by faltz009 created Mar 07, 2026 Views: 137 Replies: 2
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Water Coherence: The Medium Is the Message

Submitted by Walter Silva

An investigation into water's role as a quantum-coherent information substrate in biological systems, and a simple experiment to test it.

What is this thing?

Photosynthesis is the most efficient energy transfer process we've ever measured. When a photon hits a leaf, the energy finds its way to the reaction center through a chain of molecules with near-perfect efficiency — approaching 100%. The process requires quantum coherence: the energy travels all possible paths simultaneously and selects the optimal one. Gregory Engel's team confirmed this experimentally in 2007, and it's been replicated since.

Quantum coherence is very fragile — to achieve in controlled settings we require temperatures near absolute zero, the slightest thermal noise destroys coherent states. Laboratories spend billions engineering isolation from exactly the kind of environment a leaf sits in: warm, wet, vibrating, chemically noisy.  Our best photovoltaic cells achieve about 25% efficiency, leaves do nearly four times better under conditions our best engineering can't replicate, in the rain.


Now a second mystery, from a completely different field. Your eyes, ears, skin, nose, and tongue deliver approximately 11 million bits of information to your brain every second, your conscious experience handles about 50. That's a compression ratio of 220,000 to 1 — every second, continuously, your entire waking life. Neuroscience can trace individual signals along axons and across synapses, we understand the wiring, and the wiring describes how individual signals travel from point A to point B. The open question — called the binding problem — is how the brain integrates all of it into one unified experience at that compression ratio. Signals arrive from different senses at different speeds, get processed in different brain regions on different timescales, and somehow combine into a single coherent moment of awareness. This has been open for decades.

Two unsolved problems from different fields, same underlying question: how is biological matter maintaining coherent information integration under conditions our best engineering can't replicate?

Every biological system that does this shares one medium: water. And recently, we started finding out why that might matter — proton tunneling through water has been directly observed and measured. Protons hop through water molecule chains in 1-2 femtoseconds, confirmed by Yale's Mark Johnson team after 200 years of the Grotthuss mechanism being only a theory. This is real, measured, published physics — and it opens the door to water functioning as a coherent information transfer medium at biological temperatures.

This project investigates that door.

What's already in place

Proton tunneling in water is at the center of a surprising number of breakthroughs happening right now across fields that aren't talking to each other:

  • Yale directly observed proton hopping through water at femtosecond timescales — the first direct measurement of a mechanism theorized for two centuries
  • Oak Ridge National Lab is exploiting proton tunneling to collapse cancer cells' mitochondria — cells die within 30 minutes of irradiation through proton-coupled electron transfer
  • Fuel cell engineers discovered proton tunneling between sulfonate groups in hydrated membranes is a major conduction mechanism — new polymer membranes are hitting 260 mS/cm conductivity, far above previous state of the art
  • A Singapore team built synthetic molecular straws driven by proton gradients — 40x lighter than natural aquaporins, pointing toward desalination powered by tiny proton concentration differences instead of massive pressure systems
  • Gerald Pollack's exclusion zone research shows water at biological interfaces forming structured layers with measurably different properties from bulk water — a fourth phase of water with distinct electromagnetic behavior
  • Gregory Engel's team measured quantum coherence in photosynthesis at room temperature in 2007 — the original finding that proved biology already solved what our quantum computers can't
  • Penrose and Hameroff's quantum consciousness hypothesis — that consciousness requires quantum coherence in microtubules — has survived decades of criticism but never identified the mechanism for how coherence persists at body temperature. Microtubules are hollow tubes filled with water. If water itself maintains coherence, the microtubules are the waveguide, and proton tunneling is the information transfer mechanism. This has never been proposed.

Cancer therapy, clean energy, water purification, neuroscience, consciousness research — all converging on water doing something fundamental, all publishing in separate journals, nobody connecting the dots.

Designing a simple experiment

Soap bubbles display interference patterns — coherent optical structures maintained across a thin water membrane. The entire film holds a global coherent state visible as those shimmering color bands.

If you perturb a soap film at one point, two things propagate: the physical wave through the medium, and any restructuring of the global interference pattern. If the pattern restructures faster than the mechanical wave reaches the other side of the film, you've measured coherent information transfer exceeding the propagation speed of the physical medium.

Cheap, testable, visually dramatic, requires no one to accept anything about consciousness, quantum theory, or biology — just measure two speeds in a water film. This of course might not be enough, but it's the initial question we are trying to answer.

If we get a positive result from this, making the perturbation controlled and measurable would be a huge breakthrough already. 

What happens in the next 1-3 months

Get collaborators from the scattered fields in the same conversation. From there:

  • Run the soap film experiment or connect with someone who has the optical equipment to do it properly
  • Compile the existing research threads into a single synthesis document — right now these findings are buried across separate journals and nobody sees the full picture
  • Connect Pollack's EZ water work to Levin's bioelectric cognition group — Levin studies how cells coordinate through voltage patterns in aqueous media, and the connection to structured water hasn't been made
  • Connect Penrose-Hameroff proponents with proton tunneling research — they've been looking for their mechanism and it might already be measured
  • Start formalizing the information theory framing: what does water coherence mean for biological computation, and what specific predictions does it generate?

How we'll know if it worked

The soap film experiment gives a clear binary — either coherent information in a water membrane propagates faster than the mechanical wave, or it doesn't. If it does, that's publishable on its own and opens the door for everything else.

Beyond that: researchers from disconnected fields start citing each other. Quantum biology starts engaging with structured water research. Consciousness researchers engage with proton tunneling dynamics. Someone designs a sharper follow-up experiment. The conversation shifts from scattered observations to a unified research program.

Longest term, if the mechanism is real: room-temperature quantum computing, biological computing architectures, and energy systems approaching the efficiency that leaves already achieve.

What I need

  • Collaborators in quantum biology, biophysics, water science, information theory, bioelectricity — curious people who want to explore this space
  • Help designing and running experiments, starting simple with the soap film and extending toward biological water systems
  • People who can spread connections between these scattered research groups — this is as much a distribution problem as a research problem
  • Access to optical measurement equipment, and eventually labs working with biological water interfaces
  • Money is useful but  it heavily depends on how the collaboration and experimental design develop first

Who's already adjacent / whose attention would help

  • Gerald Pollack — exclusion zone water, the most direct empirical foundation, although some of his claims did't hold up and he was involved in some sketchy practices, he was one of the pioneers to notice the phenomena.
  • Michael Levin — bioelectric cognition, cellular coordination in aqueous media, still not investigating water's role in information transfer through the EM field.
  • Stuart Hameroff — quantum consciousness, looking for how coherence survives biological temperatures
  • Gregory Engel — room-temperature quantum coherence in photosynthesis
  • Mark Johnson (Yale) — first direct observation of the Grotthuss mechanism in water

Anyone working in quantum biology,. anyone at ORI interested in information theory as connective tissue. anyone curious to find how biology solved room-temperature quantum coherence three billion years ago.

Submitted

Hey, this is great! Would definitely be interested in collaborating given the nature of my work. If you check out my WIP thread, it's directly relevant to being able to measure coherent quantum information in biological systems utilizing ultra-weak optical signals. The findings from SpinorNet's first training run using real biophoton data from plant tissue is already validating Dr. Hameroff's position on the effects of anesthesia on microtubule's aromatic oscillations, which is relevant to the hydration shell around the c-termini of tubulin. Have you already began compiling and connecting the existing research threads into a single synthesis on water's role as a quantum-coherent information substrate in biological systems? I feel like that'd be the easiest thing to start working on on your own while finding the right collaborators for your experiment. Especially now with AI, it's a lot easier to synthesize connections between scattered research groups, especially if you already have the insight to see how they connect. What would you need to get that started?

Submitted

"When a photon hits a leaf, the energy finds its way to the reaction center through a chain of molecules with near-perfect efficiency — approaching 100%."

Meanwhile, from wikipedia "...which results in a maximum overall photosynthetic efficiency of 3 to 6% of total solar radiation."

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