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Question about deadline extension and judging criteria

A topic by GREMLINNNNNN created 71 days ago Views: 97 Replies: 3
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Submitted(+1)(-2)

Organizer, I have a question about the jam.

Why was the deadline extended by one day without a proper announcement to all participants?

This affects the fairness of the jam quite a lot. Many people, including me, submitted their projects earlier for different reasons. For example, I submitted a pretty rough version because, according to the original deadline, I only had about 4–5 hours out of the last 24 to work on the project. If I had known that the deadline would be extended, I could have finished and polished some important parts.

So the deadline stopped feeling like a fair rule. Some participants rushed, cut ideas, and submitted unfinished versions, and then the deadline was silently moved by another day.

I also have a question about the judging criteria. Right now, they mostly seem to judge how annoying, confusing, painful, or impractical the project is. But they do not really cover some important things, such as:

originality of the idea; 

 whether the project actually works; 

 overall completeness;

how well it fits the jam theme;

technical execution;

 whether there is actual design behind it, not just random uncomfortable stuff.

I understand that the jam theme is about making an inconvenient color picker, but even in that kind of jam, the criteria should still allow projects to be compared fairly.

Can you explain why the deadline was extended without a proper announcement, and why these judging criteria were chosen?

Submitted

Yes, the extension was quite a problem. I remembered that the jam was going to end, and when i checked? I had another day. This was a confusing change. The extension was needed, considering how many submissions were made at the time, but there was no warning.

I have to agree with you that that there needed to be a bit more things the submissions will be judged for, though I believe the jam host's focus was to see what other people can make, and rating comes second. That is why there was not much focus on judging and restrictions.

HostSubmitted(+2)

Hey!

Well honestly, I just mistakenly put the wrong end submission date. It was meant to last for the whole weekend, but I accidentally typed in 12:00 AM on Sunday instead of 23:59 PM on Sunday (my local time). And I just pushed it back once I realized it.

I didn't bother notifying for 2 main reasons:
1. Not sure where and how? Almost noone joined the Discord server I created
2. It's not like I was cutting away time from the jam. I was adding MORE time, I had no idea anyone would complain about getting more time.

So I dunno, it's 100% my fault, but I'm not sure why you're upset? I wouldn't say it's unfair for multiple different reasons:
- First ever announcement was ~7 days before the jam actually started.  And everyone was open to start working on their projects immediately. So if some people seen it as soon as it was announced, that means they had more than 7 days to work on this. You're complaining about 12 extra hours of "advantage" some people might had, but actually some people had 168 extra hours of "advantage". Competing against others is not even the purpose here. It's just meant to be silly, and a small "tool" project, not even a full game. So I never expected anyone to put more than a few hours into this
- It's not sponsored, and I'm broke. There are no real rewards nor accolades. "Winning" or "having an advantage" serve no purpose whatsoever
- Deadline was literally arbitrary. I don't care too much about it and it doesn't even matter at all. If you want me to reopen the submissions for you to update your color picker, I can 100% do that
- I'm literally just a random dude, running a first jam ever, which was supposed to be little, fun and short

Basically I can take the full blame and I'm sorry you got frustrated, so as I said, if you want to update or resubmit, feel free to let me know and I'll do that. 

Regarding the criteria, honestly none of the "important" things you've listed seem important to me for this jam. I don't appreciate you telling me how to do stuff or what to list as criteria options. Sorry to sound like an ass, but if that's the criteria you want to see, you can always NOT participate, or just create your own jam under your own terms. 

I just feel like you are taking all of this a bit too serious. You expected a great organization, proper criteria, "comparison" of projects, determining the "winner" of the jam etc. etc. 
Sorry for not meeting your expectations or for letting you down, but you need to understand this for what it truly is: A VERY small and short jam, ran by a singular broke dude for funzies who expected to get like 2 submissions total. It's not a sponsored large scale professional project with an organized team.

Submitted

Small jam or not, people still use the visible deadline to plan their work. The issue is not that more time was added, but that the change was not clearly announced.

Also, I’m not trying to tell you how to run your jam. I’m explaining why, as a participant, the criteria felt unclear and one-sided. “It’s just for fun” does not mean feedback is invalid.