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My feelings about AI

A topic by Firefly created 43 days ago Views: 306 Replies: 9
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I keep going back and forth on this, so I'm writing it out to settle my own thoughts.

What happened to coders was not nothing. Millions of people spent years, decades, building up a body of work. They posted it openly, shared it, contributed to projects because the culture said that's what you do, that's how we build together. And then companies scraped all of it, fed it into models, and turned around and sold access to a thing that could do a rough approximation of what those people spent their careers learning to do. And a lot of those same people got told their roles were shrinking, their rates were dropping, their skills were becoming optional. The code was taken. The credit was not. The compensation was zero. And now we're supposed to just be excited about the technology.

I don't think I owe those companies my enthusiasm. I don't think I owe them my data, my prompts, my subscription fees, or my quiet participation in an ecosystem that treated a whole profession's output as free raw material. Using their servers, their APIs, their cloud-hosted assistants, means feeding the machine that already ate someone else's livelihood. It means my usage patterns become their training data. It means my money becomes their runway to do it again to the next group. I don't want to be part of that loop. I just don't.

But here's the part I had to sit with for a while. The knowledge is still there. The patterns, the techniques, the solutions to ten thousand common problems, the accumulated understanding of how software works, all of that got learned by these models from real people's real work. And I can't pretend that knowledge doesn't exist now, or that refusing to touch any of it is some kind of moral purity. It would just be cutting myself off from a tool, out of principle, while the principle doesn't actually help the people who were wronged. My suffering in silence doesn't put anything back into their pockets.

So the compromise I've landed on is local models. Run them on my own hardware. No server. No API call. No telemetry. No company seeing what I type, no corporation logging my workflow, no monthly payment going to the people who pulled off the largest uncompensated labor transfer in the history of software. The weights are on my disk. The electricity is mine. The inference happens in a box under my desk.

And yeah, those weights were trained on code that coders wrote, and I don't forget that. But using a local model is more like borrowing a book from a library than renting a service from the company that stole the book. I get access to the collective knowledge. I get the autocomplete, the explanation, the quick draft, the debugging nudge. But I give nothing back to the pipeline. No data. No money. No legitimacy. No signal that says this is fine, keep going, do it to the next industry.

It's not a perfect position. I know that. Someone will say the weights themselves are the stolen thing, and they're not entirely wrong. But I think there's a meaningful difference between using a tool that sits on your own machine and subscribing to the service of the company that built its empire on the taking. One is a quiet, personal use of knowledge that's already in the world. The other is handing your support, your data, and your dollars directly to the people who did the taking, and telling them it worked, do it more.

I can hold both things. I can be grateful for what coders built, angry at what was done with it, and still open a terminal and run a model locally to help me through a stubborn bug on a Tuesday night. Those aren't contradictions. They're just a person trying to use a tool without kneeling to the people who misappropriated it.

I don't support the industry. I just use what it made, on my own terms, in my own house, where nobody is watching, and nobody is getting paid for stealing everyone's stuff.

And I think that's as close to right as I can get.

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Well I don't support the whole 'steal' speech. (Is for a whole new debate I think) Knowledge is (more or less) free and many of the stuff in Internet are not just free but not Copyrighted. Still. I do support the use of local models and I'd like to encourage people to try to do the same. 

In fact, i'd like to do a little spam here a link to a post where I mention and speak briefly about different local tools I manage to test.  /t/6524872/sharing-some-ai-tools-for-artistlearners-or-just-speed...

If you wanna step in, share opinions, things you have learned,other tools you have discovered, etc. You are invited.

By the way, you are not less artist, programmer, musician, creator, professional in general for using AI. While it is a powerful tool, it is a tool in the end. The skills and vision of the person handling it is what matters. 

And the world, like always, just turned more demanding.

The irony that this is an AI written post :)

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I find this extremely offensive. I do not write with AI and only use local models to code with them. As further evidence, I have analyzed my own writing with https://quillbot.com/ai-content-detector a free AI detector tool, and found no trace whatever of AI, a fact which you may confirm for yourself.

I do not appreciate the idiotic remark. Before you make stupid accusations like this, do a little research maybe?

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OK, I did some research.

I ran it through these tools:

There are many AI “tells”, and your text has them.

But, I don’t mind how you create your writing, whether prompted or AI-assisted editing/cleanup.

I enjoyed the topic you raised. Thanks for taking the time to put it out there.

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Your post does have "ai signals". But that's because ais are trained on text. And you wrote in opinion essay structure and not just a one liner opinion throwaway comment.

AIs will happily explain why the can't reliably tell ai text from human text.

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AI is ok for hobby projects and non traditional search requests.

It's not ok to use as a replacement for humans, and there are signs, that a lot of the ai hype is actually a scam. As in, the companies can not deliver what they promise. Similar to quantum computer companies. They just advertise and promote the ai usage everywhere they can and hope they can deliver.

Yes, you can simulate on the quick something that resembles the work you need. But it's shallow and crumbles on inspection. The fact that AI can hallucinate and invent "facts", just to please you, should tell you all you need to know about it. But it gets worse. Not only it can not deliver as promised, it is also much more costly than human work for some tasks.

If you need a proof of concept prototype or a throwaway concept image, it might deliver, since something that resembles the thing you need, is the thing you wanted.

Thing is, those ai system do not understand what they are talking about or creating. We are not yet at a stage where we have robots like in science fiction stories. And it is unclear, if the generative ai tech can get there at all.

As a side note, the fact that you do can produce convincing works with ai, just exposes how little is needed in some fields to not be found out as an impostor.

is now the time to get into modern art and make a fortune on ai grifting?

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Is there money to be made with that?

Art is not function. People need to be willing to pay for art. And my overall impression is, that they are not willing to pay for ai "art".

For games it is slightly different. A game is a complex thing and more than the sum of its parts. So you might get away with using ai made parts.

Just look at /games/top-sellers/tag-ai-generated and compare to /games/top-sellers .

 Some slop creators sure try it. But those "devs" previously released other types of shovelware. Slop is nothing specfic to ai. And the games using ai parts that seem successful do not look like slop.

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using ai itself isn't a sin it helps access to human's knowledge
but companies that develop and run llms public intentions are very human destructive

Idk why people are clapping that you don't have to think anymore.. Ain't we the thinking creatures?
If i don't need to think or master a craft what should i do?

I don't mind doing nothing tbh, but ain't we live in a capitalist world?
If people didn't work, we will give them money without labor..
Wouldn't you be the only worker here??
I believe you will let them drown without guilt as in everything.

If only companies intention were different I would be very happy with this invention.
too bad everything humans get capitalists destroys it.