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A topic by Minoh Workshop created Aug 21, 2021 Views: 23,327 Replies: 294
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Yaaaa, I finish my first route! And unlocked nearly half of the achivement!

The 2 quests(?) in hinterland are easier than I thought, plan on treating Strom the best in the next route.

Is the achivement "The tale of Argos and Io" and "Cthonic Regalia" have requirement? It seems they just accomplish within the main story.

What is the star on Asterion head means? His divine part?

And It is quite wired when you should put down your name in Jean's phone, but the speical answer is to put down his name. 

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Is the achivement "The tale of Argos and Io" and "Cthonic Regalia" have requirement? It seems they just accomplish within the main story.

Yes, some achievements are obtained as part of the game's normal story progression. This way the achievements screen serves as an easy way to check how far someone got in the game in their most advanced playthrough.

What is the star on Asterion head means?

I'll leave that to interpretation! :)

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I really hope the lead ring generated by the binding contract supress the typical lead trouble: Plumbosis

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Yeeeeeeaaahhh that's something we failed to touch on, that's on me! The idea we had is that the lead ring only looks and feels like lead, in truth it's made of some magical material unique to the realm. So no worries, the MC won't get lead poisoning.

...We should probably fix this in the story though, h-haha.

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FYI we're adding a little line addressing this in Build 0.5.1, we finally got off our asses for that one. Thank you.

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Thank you so much. I've found the new dialogue meanwhile I started again with another background.

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I'm going through my many screenshots and this is my favorite out of context screen. Oscar just met his not-dad but he is not going to stand for this shit hurting his boy.


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 A Short review.

 I want to first say that thank you for giving this amazing game, I have been playing this game for days and I love it. I am very biased towards Furry VN games that have the MC as human and the rest of the cast as other races, love those scenarios the most. I will be giving the rest in segments.

The lore is so amazing and deep into the story, I had to replay a couple times it took me a while to understand since mainly I was interested in my relationship with the minotaur lol. I was never interested into historical events no matter where it came from, so props to you all convincing me to research haha.

I love the characters in this story they have their own personalities that make it fun to run the hotel.

I don’t understand how people can dislike the art, I think it fits great in this setting, and Asterion has the cutest and most wonderful expressions, he is such a precious Mino. Everyone else has great expressions

The music themes created and selected, are just fantastic they fit every place where they should be, I love the desert themes the most, Asterions themes always makes me teary, like damn.

 I want to say tremendous congrats on the writing it is excruiciatingly and painfully good. I was always playing the good route when I could and so I heavily debated doing the ruthless route. I finally did out of curiosity. When I did my first run on the Ruthless route I went as evil as I could be, I was mortified, the writing had me writhing in my seat with torture of the MC becoming a sadistic tyrant just giving brutal treatment to the poor Mino, I wanted for him to die, and I am glad I got that wish when he drank that potion expecting argos to give him eternal youth. and OH MY GOD ARGOS, that poor snek. He has a damn heart of gold only to be treated with that acursed fate for freeing Asterion. After I was done with the route, I was left in my seat just broken, I didn’t have it in me to go through the other ruthless endings. But by doing this route I learned more about argos, so at least I got something out of this torment. I’m sorry but I am a big softie, it was my fault going through it, but damn ive done false endings before in other VN but it was never this brutal My god, I have not been emotionally wrecked since I had watched fruits baskets, and mind you I have been playing other visual novels. 

Just superb and excellent work  you guys, You deserve that vacay kings, absolute monarchs, lords…etc. 

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Ok, just finished.

I think my main complaint is it's a little anxiety inducing to not have enough TIME to do all the things you should do. Asterion's project, the side character routs, recruiting Robert. In a game where the premise of the fantasy is "time enough, at last, with the people you care about" it bothered me a little that it felt like I was being forced to leave so much untouched. I hope the plot isn't, like, FINISHED? That future builds give the player some to actually see Asterion and the PC happy with eachother? As is, it felt a little like we got to see them finally find echother, and then that was it, the end.

I love the worldbuilding, the careful syncretism that's gone into the world. This is one reason I felt resentful of not having more leisure time to explore it. So often works that try to combine pantheons and mythologies feel like they treating them as irrelevancies: they're all true because none of them particularly matter. Here you did the opposite.

What I loved most is the idea of the Recursion, that Pedro explains, how people become trapped reliving different versions of the stories they were born into. And I really appreciate the earthy, practical, go with what works, the-symbol-is-the-thing style of his ritual magic. It gave a lot of context for what was wrong with Hermes, at the end.

It takes a lot to get me to buy a happily ever narrative. You did it though. I'm invested, and I really really hope that future builds are going to let us see some of it, not just leave us here.

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Hey theodwulf, glad you're enjoying the game!

Don't worry, there's still a third of the main story to go, and it will have lots of tender moments between the player character and Asterion. We just like to wrap up every build in a satisfactory way, like it's the ending of a tv episode (or season in this case, since we took so fucking long with the update). The next builds will give the player more time, of course, but the game is designed with replayability in mind. You can't really do every side quest and get every character in one go.

This might be a very dumb question that could be answered by carefully re-reading dialogue early on in the game, but just to be 100% sure and solidly clarify, given I can't remember if this was cleared up or not, but do guests still have to pay money to stay the night like a normal hotel or are guests allowed to stay for free, given as Asterion did make it clear it was a sanctuary for the lost.

The normal rate was kind of low but they can be free if they want to.

There's only so long staff can work for free even with the most obvious charity.

I thought staff were paid with currency and valuable items the owner could generate using the Labyrinth? 

You CAN'T generate currency.  And yet gems are ALMOST no problem.

Liked the hinterlands 3 section, even though I thought it was hitherlands until I had to verify the name for the survey. The characters are really cute most of the time, Y'know, when they're not trying to murder each other.  Luke went from a crude and annoying eagle to a less annoying but still pretty crude eagle. Jean reminds me of Steve from minecraft from a front angle view. In my opinion Robert is the best new staff member, but I haven't gotten Themba yet so I don't know how that'll turn out. I wanna punch Jean for trying to hurt my poor little Argos, speaking of Argos, 0\10 not enough Argos simping.

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Did anyone else noticed the Hotel quietly popping up in a certain part of Hinterlands III when Storm and P are talking in the car? I just remembered it and had to post this

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I think I've seen it pop up in two parts.

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I've noticed it  appears after visiting storm's house

Yup! It's a lovely detail, fading in and out of the background when P and/or Storm are feeling lost but too absorbed in their own struggles to see it, yet when their resolve has come back up, it fades away again. A phenomenal bit of dramatic irony, we as the readers know how the hotel works and that the more they try to find it, the more they can't. 

If every time there was an argument or some problem that they felt lost appeared in the background

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The Labyrinth's Constitution seems to have some pretty significant bombshells in it and I'm surprised they haven't really been brought up yet. I'm starting to get worried I'm reading too far into things, but, well, here goes for wild theory-crafting:

Fragment D
The Labyrinth shall pull in people in accordance with the Master's specifications, from whichever location is appointed by him.

Unless otherwise stated, the Labyrinth shall pull in lost beings located anywhere under the firmament but no deeper than the surface of the Earth.

Reading this a little less than literally, an additional contract could effectively give the MC the absolute power to summon anyone he wants, from virtually anywhere (even somewhere in the afterlife), to the hotel. There are quite a few ways that power could be used to serve the story, and a potential resolution to at least one person's quest.

Fragment E
The Labyrinth's fauna, flora and geography will act as to bring the prisoner suffering in whichever way is possible.
The Master may, through contract, determine which forms of life the Labyrinth may spawn and what behaviors they may display.

Again, less-than-literal interpretation means a contract could in effect allow the MC to purge or pacify virtually all the creatures of the valley. In his encounter with the skinned effigy, it was strongly-suggested that he can already command them to his will. If that's extended to the entire valley, the MC could effectively nullify all potential dangers to Asterion.

And here's what I think is the biggest one I've noticed, which doesn't mean much on its own, but depending on where the story goes, is a very peculiar opening to a long-shot potential resolution to the entire conflict of the plot:

Fragment B
The Master shall receive ownership of the realm. He may transfer, sell, borrow and bequeath it to any individual born of human parents.

The MC could lend his position to anyone born of human parents. Not an important article on its own, but then comes Oscar, who may, in fact, be a minotaur born of human parents. If that turns out to indeed be the case, then there could be a master who is also a minotaur. There are a lot of ways that could potentially flip the story on its head and, for instance, impose contradictions on the contracts binding Asterion that could ultimately invalidate them.

All of this is just wild speculation on my part, but it's been bugging me and I'm on break so eff it, I figured I'd share :)

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Belief is at the core of the story, isn't it? Like, trust is another form of belief. As is faith.  Hm.

I'm thinking about the mechanics of the hotel. How much of it showing up for people is because of Hermes mentioning it to someone vs. trust of a stranger to not lie about something ultimately conjuring the hotel to appear for them. Like how the underworld exists in Hades because the residents who live there trust it to exist but no one new is going there because no one believes in it anymore. So maybe Hermes starts the trend of getting people to believe in the hotel, and then people returning from a stay spreading their word of mouth take over?

I'm thinking of how the series might end and wondering if it's possible for the hotel to become a new underworld since it's already been reformed into something resembling Asphodel Meadow. Lots of half-formed ideas, but I think, to be honest, that Asterion is going to ultimately reject leaving the labyrinth based on what happens in the ruthless route. 

This has been late-night thoughts while waiting for food. Cue cue out. *salute*

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Before I go into the theories that have been bouncing around in my head I must say hats of to the team behind this magnificent story just (Chefs kiss).

1. Oscar/Storm is or at lest is a piece of Asterion's divinity that the god's took from him and was born when one the god's ( I'm thinking Hermes) got Oscar's/Storm's mother pregnant in order to Give Asterion his divinity back ( I'm only guessing about the why this seems the most logical). I am making this guess mainly on what the narrator said in Ch. 18 when Oscar/Storm and Asterion meet in front of the hotel "From the slit in the star-spangled horizon, he comes. The drop of blood" this i felt was a way to signal us as the reader that they are more closely related than it would seem a first glance. We also know that having divinity means the person has ichor flowing through them and we also know from conversations with Robert that Asterion no longer has his divinity.

2. Luke's Brother died on the January 28, 1986 Space Shuttle Challenger disaster. I base my theory on the the conversation you have with Luke when you give him time off he mentions a really difficult test that he and his brother needed for their dream job. I believe it is reasonable to assume that Luke and his brother were trying to become Astronauts based on Luke's love for the stars and the fact in Luke1 we see him in Cape Canaveral waiting to see the shuttle launch.

3. The Protagonists of the story is subconsciously bringing in gay Mythical creatures in to the Hotel. I don't have much to say other than how unlikely it is for Mythical creatures that also happen to be gay to come to the Hotel and become a part of the Hotel's Staff.

4. The Protagonist was influenced/ Possessed by Hades when Hermes was about to kill Argos/Nikos in Ch.18. I base my theory on the nearly rotten flower smell the Protagonist smells now this by itself could mean anything but Hermes mutters a name to himself which means someone he knows interfered and it stands to reason that Hades interfered to prevent Hermes from killing Argos/Nikos.

I would love to hear other peoples theories. I'm also open to hear if you disagree on my theories and why

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I was thinking the flower smell was from a flower shop using a certain god for a mascot but I guess Hades makes sense.  It seems we speak a lot clearer than he would've though.

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I just figured that if this (if my theory is correct)Hades is one extremely pissed off and two only gave a short order.  Also it has been a couple of centuries since the events when we saw Hades last so he could have changed since Asterion was punished. 

Regarding point 4, I don't think the rotting flowers smell is supposed to be Hades. I do think it's one of the other gods influencing Hermes into madness, though, since the MC pushes back the smell with with his power in the realm, a power which is supposed to be sovereign over other gods except the Overseer (sort of). If Hermes is the only god allowed in, possessing him or intentionally driving him to madness can give you influence in the hotel to enact your plots. I also think it's not just the general god madness that seems to come from diminishing worshippers (source: the Tapir God if you get him his pelt back, and the 'old man' who we already know is another god and very far gone), but I'm not sold on who the flowers are yet. It's important to note that while Hermes, Hades, and Hestia are most certainly on Asterion's side, any of the other gods could've shifted either in or out of his favor after all of this time. I wouldn't put this past Aphrodite if she got swayed against Asterion for some reason.

Eating the flesh of God's child to gain eternal life. Where have I heard that before? 🙃 I have questions about the number 12 but I don't feel qualified to ask the right ones yet.

God, the tapir's design is horrifying in context. Like the bits of missing muscle. Nope. Which means I can't wait for him to be a romance option for one of the guests or for him to find the hotel and immediately chased by Wolf. Good boy.

okay, so both children and worshippers. So basically if Pontius Pilate had killed Jesus's disciples and left him with the powers he had but no one with which to spread his gospel. Interesting P name ya got there, Pontius.

Imagine getting called a wretched twink by defiled Jesus. Oh, P.

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Pregnant 13-year-old with a dress sporting the virgin mary. Yep.

Also: Did Nini kill P's grandfather? She's definitely the "wannabe witch" who used his feathers to perform spells against the tapir. When is another question entirely, though. And would that have harmed P or Storm if skinned Jesus didn't let them know beforehand? She had a very ominous moment saying she was still hungry when looking at P that I just took for candy the first time around. I'm much less sure this time.

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Pregnant 13-year-old with a dress sporting the virgin mary. Yep.

We were extremely deliberate.

I need to yell at itch to let me upvote posts on mobile. I can't wait to meet sirs Hydra.

I'm screenshotting every dialogue box I think could be important or is interesting and that's basically every screen so far. I gotta stop myself.

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Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Those aren't even Luke's memes, they're fucking Nikos goddamn it

Give the snake some goddamn jujubes. I can't with him. He's the sweetest fucking troll. Arrrghhhh(os, etc. etc.)

Fuck.

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AND HE DOES DRINK WINE

THAT SNAKE

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But there's no phone reception in the valley! How did he get the wi-fi password?

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>:(

I will consult the manager of this realm later to find out, Minnow. You watery, slippery beast.

(I should double check if the contract in the underground labyrinth breaks depending on whether you can find out about Nikos or not. I thought it was a Luke vs. Kota thing but that may have been coincidence. I will drive while listening to the MiHo soundtrack and reflect.)

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I cried for 2 hours after playing the love-route again. That music when they're both deep into the hotel, it's just sad. I know the scene's supposed to be happy but all the weight of Asterion's "curse" is still there even though MC's love is there.

That game is so great, I'd kill to forget everything and play it again...

Thanks for making me cry, absolute masterpiece.

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it's so full of love but also heartbreaking. i can only hope asterion's future is discussed because things like the rusty knife you can find in the valley ("Perhaps, centuries from now, Asterion will find it and be reminded of your time together.") really make me wanna cry... like asterion said, i don't wanna imagine his future without the MC

Also I was wondering... In the latest patch notes it said they added four endings for the ruthless route and up to chapter 18 for the friendly route. Does that mean we'll get a continuation of the love story with Asterion?! I mean I was pretty happy with how things turned out but to realize there's still more ? That'd be even lovely !

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There will be more, yes. We're about 60% of the way through the game, we haven't seen the end of Asterion and the Master's story.

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I had a question (if anyone doesnt mind me asking), but the part where a ring of fire was burning around Asterions throat where you go deep to see the flame with him, was that like a metaphor or was that real? I just got confused there.

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i think it's sorta both? there was a physical event with a sudden gust of wind and asterion writhing around and the MC reacts thinking asterion almost had some kind of seizure. i think there's also a metaphorical (well, maybe "mythological" is the more accurate word) part too that has to do with the semi-sacred shenanigans that just happened prior: kindling the hearth, wrestling with him, his star birthmark appearing. definitely check out this thread on the birthmark if you're curious! my take is that doing all the stuff underground rekindled the ancient divinity in asterion's soul (robert talks about this if you spend enough time with him) and that's what causes the scene. probably fitting that the sensation he feels is described as "expanding outward, like a star about to burst", although i don't know what to make of the ring of fire imagery

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( Apologies for the late reply) I see, I haven't went far into Roberts convo route but i am planning too ( no wonder i was missing the info lol ) and thank you for pointing me to the thread as well as replying friend. :)

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None of the triple A games I've played in recent years had me this glued to the screen with it's story as this little indie project. They have to get their shit together and step up. Anyway great game but still 7/10 since I couldn't boop the snoot of snek husbando

Eu adoreiii essa atualizaçao, perfeita, minha parte favorita obviamente, e a parte final do capitulo 16

Mas eu juro, que eu achei que no final desse capitulo 16, eu ia conseguir dar um beijinho no Astreon, ia ser tão fofo, ja criei algumas fanfics, ah, ainda nao terminei o jogo, to ainda animado para o que vai acontecer depois do capitulo 16

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Continue jogando, você vai gostar do que temos nos próximos capítulos.

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