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hythrain25 days ago(+1)

I've certainly heard a lot of opinions regarding AI, and yours lines up with what I've heard from other programmers. That is, that programmers are more friendly to AI while creatives like artists and voice actors are wholly against it. I can see the arguments for both sides as well, which I think more folks from either side need to try and look at better.

Programmers are used to things like sharing code with others online, which using AI to do is incredibly similar to since a lot of the data that programming AI is built on is shared code online. Since the code is already shared freely, there's no strong sense of "ownership" over it. Permission to use isn't needed and you wouldn't worry about being compensated for it. On top of that, while AI programming could affect jobs for programmers (as we've seen many companies do in the past few years), it's becoming more and more recognized that that is a bad idea and keeping programmers to verify the work of AI is important. Even as AI get better, I suspect we'll see programmers being kept because AI can't be fully trusted.

By contrast, while creatives can and do share their work online it's always with the understanding that they own what they made and that others can't just use it for profit without their permission (though some do try to do this), which in turn means they can request compensation. When AI is trained to do creative work, it does so by taking the works of creatives without their permission and thus without compensating them. It then gains the ability to reproduce things that look like their artwork, which allows people to not have to hire creatives at all. While AI makes a lot of mistakes, it's getting better at it and eventually won't make those mistakes. This can then cost creatives a lot of paid work if not outright cause them to not be able to do paid creative work again.

I think that if both sides can come to understand these views, it would help properly shape the discourse over AI and make it easier for people to work together on a more unified view of AI that can hopefully influence the changes needed to make AI good for everyone.

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Small Loop Works24 days ago

I get both sides. Training practices vary too. Shutterstock licensed training data to OpenAI. That doesn’t answer every concern about consent or compensation, but it matters when talking about how these models are trained.

I see visual art similarly to programming. Generating an image or some code is one step. You still need direction, consistency, judgment, and the ability to put everything together into something that works. Artists and designers bring those skills, and their value goes beyond fixing AI mistakes.

Some paid work will disappear or change, and I understand why people are worried. But AI covers a lot of different tools, and there’s no single switch to turn it all off. To me, trying to stop it to preserve jobs is like banning cars to preserve work around horse-drawn transport. I’d rather protect people’s rights and help them adapt. The work changing doesn’t make their skills worthless.

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hythrain24 days ago

I do agree that it's going to be hard, if not impossible, to turn the AI switch off. However, along with protecting people's rights I also believe that AI should be changed to be used ethically. For example, you can only use AI for something that you can already do yourself. This would mean that when it comes to AI making creative work, only a creative can use it and they can only get results that match their body of work. It then becomes that AI is a tool to assist people rather than something that some use to replace humans entirely.

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Small Loop Works24 days ago

My position is that AI should expand what people can create, not be reserved for those who can already do it manually. Direction, design, and integration are creative contributions too, just as a VTuber can contribute creatively without being able to draw or rig their avatar themselves. None of that means dismissing artists’ rights. Thanks for explaining your perspective, but I disagree with the restriction you’re proposing, and I’m leaving the discussion here.

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