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the value of the game would decrease to 0 as there is no effort in the game
Artists don't like AI at all mainly due to stealing their artwork

Do not use falsehoods and untrue generalizations to argue against ai. It weakens your point.

The "value" of a game decreases, yes. Using ai is not a selling point. You cannot advertise it as a highlight to be proud of and some people actively avoid ai.

But the value does not drop because there is no effort in the game. That is not true. Create a game with effort 100. Now add a few gen ai assets. Adding those extra assets took effort and you now have a game with more effort put in than before. But the "value" still decreased in the eyes of some customers, but not 0 overall. It it had value "47" before, it now has value of 47 + extra value those assets give - negative reaction against ai. That can be 0 for individuals, since they see ai as a deal break, but it will not be 0 for the average customer. 

There are artists that do like ai and are using it. The premise is wrong already. But you continue to claim it is mainly due to stealing their artwork. This is one aspect, but the main reason is competition. That the ai might have been trained by their work only adds insult to injury. The competition would still be there if those ai were 100% trained by consented art and those artists would not suddenly accept such ai.

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the value is now even lower then one dollar, which seems to be the price of most indie games with or without ai usage, ive seen it in multiple bundles i was part of, and the reason wasn't ai, it was F2P P2W, if anyone still remembers? Doesn't mather thou huh? For y'all seem to have the most fun there is by exploiting any possibility to feed any "AI" topic with ya neurosises in the uttermost inferior way possible by engaging in any  "AI"-topic. A "discussion" is something else entirely :) best regards :D 

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You refer to a word that was used in the previous posts, but your rant has nothing to do with the posts.

The perceived value of a game is lowered if you include ai, where there was none before. But this has nothing to do with effort. It has to do with how people perceive ai. Claiming it is because of effort, weakens the argument.

And I do not agree with the price of indie games being lowered by f2p and p2w games. Those type of games are not indie games to begin with. It is companies, often rather big companies, that release different types of freemium games. Games that rely on microtransactions. The typical indie game developer does not have that business model.

Furthermore, we are on Itch here. There are practically no microtransaction games on the platform.

A typical indie game is priced more like $ 10-25 in contrast to the $ 70-80 of a AAA title. But that's on a publishing platform that does not accept any self published work. Like Itch does. The typical price for games on Itch is pay what you want. If they make money at all.

And please do not insult people. We (the people commenting, including you) like to post in the forum. That is self evident. And topics about ai are interesting, because right now ai touches about every aspect of daily life and even games. It is constantly in the news. Of course people will have opinions and talk about it.

That you get even confronted with it in your hobby of playing indie games is one of the many reasons that people do not like ai and consider a game with ai in it as less valuable than hand made games.

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omg you are so right, why didnt I come up with this myself.....,except for retelling the same plain anti-position to ai as kind of strange everyday ritual. Dont you get bored having the same discussion in every of this ai threads, and i give you a little heads up dont watch the news if you dont want to hear about annoying stuff currently happening. further you'Re all have one opinion on ai and thats it, eventhou ai can be used for good thigns too thats where "social ai" or whatever they call it come-in, i hear you say BUT PEOPLE DO ....STOP why are weapons allowed if people cant get their sh*t together and dont abuse, scam or make bad stuff happenb.....well that problem didnt start with ai, it started long ago 

one last suggestion: try to find actual Historical News and people opinions when digital photography and digital art creation suddenly becasme possible......it looks too familiar to the current anti ai trend.....anyway i dont care i do what i want anyway, and i wasnt insulting anyone, you never heared of "british" humor or what you might wanna call it best regars love and peace even to the ai-priest, that will free you from your sins lol