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Ah, you mean back when the Dev was letting everyone play on their server? Yeah, the free AI token tends to draw in a high retention rate. Turns out talking to AI NPC is a bit popular and the player base got bigger. A bit too big. To the point where it wasn't sustainable to keep running it for so many people. What that means is likely it's too expensive to continuously pay for everyone. OpenRouter was the option for those who still wanted to play, but couldn't afford the cost of a new GPU. Personally, I run local on my puny 6GB GPU, and barely get by with 20 - 40 second wait times. But I've considered OpenRouter several times.

While the extra cost sucks, it's not that much if you find the right models, preferably with high Roleplay Rankings. Last I checked OpenRouter, this DeepSeek model was what everyone was using at the time. Based off a Dev response about half a year ago,  you could sink $10 to cover 7,000 turns of dialog. $20 or $25 would probably cover you for 15,000 turns. You'd probably go a whole year with that. But I think this version looks even cheaper. $0.0677 cents is a crazy good deal, even when the deal ends, $0.1234 is still good and it's better at roleplay then it's older version. You'd probably get 28,000 dialog turns with $10 and then 14,000 after the deal ends.

But if you're really down bad and refuse to spend anymore money, then you could go to KoboldAI Lite and try remaking an NPC from the game to talk to there. I'm sure someone on the unoffical Discord server can direct you to find the dialog image, personality tags, and character descriptions for you to make a character card of the NPC.

You are using the OpenRouter option, yes? You don't have to use it technically.

If you have a good enough GPU for your computer, at minimum 8GB, you can download one of a few different models depending on your GPU's VRAM capacity; 8gb, 12gb(?), 16gb, 24gb(?), and 32gb for the model. I don't remember specifics, but there is some choice. You may run the model locally on your computer. This will let you use your GPU to generate the tokens instead of paying for it through a third party.

I think that's all to it.

Kind of depends on if you mean Custom NPCs or the Vanilla NPCs?

For Customs NPCs someone else has made, you can change their starting relationship with the player and what their relationship is with other NPCs, both custom or vanilla, and edit their knowledge by adding or removing what's already there.

For Vanilla NPCs you can only add backstory knowledge to what they already have. Everything else, their starting relationship with the player and their relationship with other vanilla NPCs isn't accessible. At least not without using mods, which you can check on the unofficial discord server. I think we have a mod that let you change vanilla NPCs starting relationship with the player, and a mod or two that might let you see and edit vanilla NPC knowledge, routine activity strings, and the hidden short descriptions on walls or floor tiles you can't normally see, but the LLM can. I'll see if there is one for changing the static relationships between Vanilla NPCs.

It's a bit random what gets "sold" the next day. It seems normal for your goods to take a few days longer to sell sometimes. The longest I've gotten was three days waiting on a stack of turnips to sell, but that was in high to normal demand for large stack of turnips I rp bought from Aldric and flipped. I think the tutorial says the more in demand the item is, (from the market board arrows) the faster it sells, but I haven't looked at the tutorial in a long while. 

This is just something I passively observed while playing casually

Waiting a week in game and only getting one sold. That does seem a bit off, unless the price/demand are low to begin with and stayed low for most of that week, resulting in only one being sold. In which case that's some crazy bad luck, but I ultimately don't know.

That's my 2 cents on it anyway.

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After double-checking which model I was using for 1.7.2b, (wasn't sure where it was, but I found it) I wasn't using Gemma-4-Sparse-QAT, but the normal Gemma-4-Sparse. I don't know if it was still a reported issue on 1.7.2b, but I'll try it on 1.7.2c and let you know if it happens again.

Thanks for your time.

Embarrassingly I thought I was, but I seem to have literally forgotten to change over to 1.7.2c and was still using 1.7.2b. Sorry for the false alarm.

Similar to BonnChan, but caught early in NPC Memories before it makes its way into dialog.

So, I started a new game and talked to Oriana for a little bit, talked to Celandine and Oriana together for a very short conversation. I looked into the NPC Memories and Celandine had a ridiculously long memory in her "ThingsThatHappened" section of the overheard conversation between Oriana and Player Character. Literally 427 words long/510 tokens of her just repeating the same thing over and over again, from simply overhearing a conversation before I've even talked to the NPC.

Happened on Gemma 4 sparse, locally, on Windows.

The comment with the Discord link: /post/16191787

See you there.

There isn't a specific mechanic for game play, but you can do RP actions commands while talking to NPCs, by using asterisks.
ex: *pours water from one bottle into another empty bottle.* 

If you're talking about how to put an item in your inventory onto your hotbar, then you can right-click one of the hotbars to assign an item to the slot. Use the numpad numbers or left-click the slotted item to use it. You can only assign items that have a “Use” function to them.

I didn't say it was the best solution, but it's either that or haul yourself back to Silverpine each night if it rains. All you need is a pickaxe(2), hammer(2), and the tent(5), which is 9 weight total, then find some rocks to mine. Also, if you make your camp site and leave stuff their, it lightens your load. Just be sure to be back to that tile before midnight rolls over, otherwise you'll lose it all.

Same. You can construct a floor and then place your tent on it. It makes a roof to keep you dry.

It's a compromise for the persistent. But seeing you on the Discord server, I'll assume your question was answered there.

If you can get the sprites for the preset character you want (either rip it yourself or join the discord and someone there can help you), you can make a new Custom Player Character with the preset sprites, then use the remade Custom PC as a base for your Custom NPC. You may also need to change the name for this kind of NPC though.

But I suspect you're really asking if the dev can make the preset Player Characters selectable for Custom NPCs when you enter their names into the Custom Player Character Definition Name field.

If by "curse" you mean what someone reported Orson saying about her, then I don't know if that's true, but likely a hallucination. I believe Acacia was added to make the higher quality herbs in the Deep Forest more difficult to harvest and as a bit of a surprise to spook people.

The vendor option for Custom NPCs isn't ready yet and still being worked on. (Hover mouse over the option while in Routines) It's not supposed to work at the moment.

I suspect it's just a spot to get some low to mid quality ores and herbs without being harassed by monsters. Oriana is just a means for a player to find it if they haven't already. Though I hope there is something more to it someday.

For windows it should be your, C:\Users\(whatever your username)\AppData\LocalLow\Three Eyes Software\Silverpine\Definitions

Not sure about linux.

Yeah, I was mainly concerned if a custom NPC could even interact with the rumor system. I had no idea if it was relationship based or routine based and have to script it in as a routine. Turns out, a few hours after I post that, I happened on the answer. It looks like only NPCs who are Friends or higher gossip with other NPCs can/will gossip with each other. So, yeah, I don't have to worry about making a routine for it. But thanks for the comprehensive amount of info.

I also found out while playing with the routines that after playing a session with dynamic mode on, it gives you the lua script from last session. So, I took it and spent last night learning some basic Lua and hammered out a shabby first script and told an AI look at it and tear into my mistakes while calling me a moron, while I fixed it manually. I'm going to test it out today and hope I don't get any errors.

I believe you can just name a custom player character you made in the "Custom Player Character Definition Name" field. It pulls the models used in creation process. It doesn't appear that the preset player characters can be used, since their names don't turn green. I suppose you'd have to remake them if you wanted to use them as custom NPCs.

I also noticed you can't play as a custom player character if it's being used as a NPC, which makes sense.

Do you know if there is a Lua script for the gossip/rumor system and if it can be added to a custom NPC?

I always forget about the OoC stuff, can it be used to get an item or gold when an NPC conveniently forgets or decides not to?

Pfft, of course she'd meditate outside a dungeon in the mountains alone. Weird snake, but my favorite weird snake.

Huh, That's really cool then. I overlooked that little detail. Thanks for filling me in on it.

I hadn't considered relationship levels would matter here. If public NPC knowledge is shared organically, then that would necessitate some level of relationship with that NPC to gain access to their knowledge. Though I don't "remember" where that was mentioned.

Is this mentioned somewhere in game?

You, the player, don't. It's up to the NPC to decide and they're very imperfect. Though you can suggest or hint at it to encourage them to, it's not guaranteed. Try stretching out the RP of you going to... wherever, so the AI has more chances of just taking you there. Make up an excuse that you forgot something and have to go back to pull the scene back to your actual location to start the attempt over. That's what I'd do. If it doesn't work after the second try, I'd wrap up the conversation there, since they aren't playing along, why bother to continue. Try again another day.

I personally presume, that 'public' means, all NPCs have access to that knowledge if you ask them about it. Regardless if the custom NPC who brought the knowledge into the pool is present in the conversation or not. But they obviously must be enabled into the session.

So, for your blueberry scone incident example, I'd Aldric would probably make something up from his perspective. Every NPC will probably make something up and even conflict with each other, since you specified everyone recalls it differently.

Huh, a 'Lorebook' character specifically with lore is an interesting idea to introduce things into the world that are not about a specific NPC and centralize it all somewhere for managing. I might use this idea, only make the NPC would be a "god of knowledge" so they have an in game reason for being, which is to inject lore into everyone's brains.

Your best bet is to just fill your custom NPC's knowledge set with anything related to them, and mark the parts you want publicly known to other NPCs. As long as it's at least tangentially related to your custom NPC, set it with them. Otherwise, put it into your 'lorebook' NPC. If you want certain knowledge to be intentionally misunderstood, then you'd probably want both perspectives on the same knowledge, making one public and misunderstood, while the other private and only that the NPC knows.

Good question. Not sure if you need to use %SPECIES% or not, but It probably works for both. I think you should not use %SPECIES%, though. In an instance where you make such knowledge public, I am unsure if other NPCs seeing %SPECIES% will pull from their own NPC species field or from your custom NPC species field, so it seems safest to just type it out as normal to prevent confusion.

So I'm trying to get Celandine to follow me, and she's not, but I noticed the game was "thinking..." after her reply for a long time and I know that usually means it's doing a NPC action, yet I did not see any results, besides the relationship increase. So I checked the NPC Memories to be sure, and:

Apparently she tried, but it seems NPC actions aren't making it through to game play. I see she thought she did something, but I do not see the follow request in the dialog options or a meeting scheduled.

If I wanted to set a routine for a Silverpine NPC to visit the capital, would I set the target position at [449, 0]? Similarly, if I wanted a Capital NPC who is visiting Silverpine to return to the capital would I use the same coordinates?

In Set Knowledge, you can enable if the knowledge you created is Public. If you leave the box unchecked, then I assume it's Private and only that NPC will know the knowledge. Public, I assume means every NPC will have access to knowing it. So you DON'T have to mod every NPC.

So, if I had to guess, and using your example as a means to explain it:

Your player character can be a new hire by slightly modding Darian by adding, "%NAME% recently hired someone new to help him guard Silverpine", to his Knowledge set. If you want your player to be related to Darian as a cousin, add, "%PLAYER_NAME% is a (optional: close or favorite) cousin to Darian." as another Knowledge set. Let the LLM put two and two together naturally and dynamically decide if he hired his cousin either as a coincidence or intentionally. Edit the knowledge if you want one or the other. Just make sure any lore about your player character's relationship with an NPC is NOT PUBLIC and increase relationship with them to whichever one gives you the key to their house so you can enter anytime and place a bed down to sleep. Probably Important, but if you're cousins.

Very interesting. Dev really cooked with her lore. 

I feel kind of inspired to make an NPC (a panther probably) who's a priest/druid of the forest, and build a shrine/temple in town to "ward-off" the wendigo in Silverpine. Maybe build one for Orson as well.

Thanks that fixed the model on the custom character editor.

I think it's "Abandoned Shed", but I don't know if buying it changes the name to something like "Shed", or "%PLAYER_NAME%'s Shed" since it's no longer abandoned once bought. 

I think you can build a new floor, unconnected to the shed, on your land, and you should get a system pop up to name the new building, and it should have the name of the area/shed as default. Otherwise, I don't know.

Running the .exe should open a tab in your browser, from there you can load the game folder data, either then export everything to look through it in your directories, or click View Loaded Files and then Sprite Data Storage. Ctrl+f, "sprite_npc_(npcname)_big"; all lowercase, to find specific NPCs files, which will have an image tab with the NPC's dialog image.

Your welcome? All I did was point out where the encrypted strings could be found, which anyone could do if they looked. Sounds like you and Grok did the real work. 

I am curious what Acacia's says, since it seems longer than the rest. Probably filled with lore about her being a wendigo and forest spirit, which I gathered are her species and occupation.

Very nice work! 

If you're still interested in looking for and filling out a few niche areas, the game files suggest Acacia has a Den in the deep forest somewhere.(good luck with that one) 

Similarly, Oriana has a meditation spot up in the mountains somewhere, apparently by a pond.

There is a raptor kingdom to the south, Varxis, I believe. I always wondered if there were any signs of civilization down there like a path. If so, probably worth marking down.

I know exactly the issue you're having with Civit.AI, when selecting the LoRa be sure to be in the Create panel that opens on the side. Choose Additional Resources, No Artist Style should be the first one if you're using Pony Diffusion. At the bottom where it says Abstract Painting, it's a DROP DOWN, I had assumed it was specifically for abstract painting, but you can click on it and select Smooth 2 from there.

Try ai3dgen, it gives you a free use every day, no account, and looks like it comes colored. I didn't download from them because they messed up the model, but it's worth a try.

Right, so that information isn't uncompressed anymore, so you won't see it in the files, which means I probably shouldn't share it, since it's not publicly available knowledge. I suspect it's set knowledge, so if you mod Darian it will still be a hidden part of his personality because anything new is appended to the existing knowledge pool.