Hello.
It is very poetic, thank you! Poetry is art, and my little soul has fought the universe to get here. However, I have no interest in engaging in arguments about semantics! Garbage in the artistic sense is still art, it's just bad art! Pretentious makebelieve is also bad art too. You've missed my point unfortunately; I never said that AI slop looks bad. I also am not about to debate my criteria; this is something I believe - that art as a definition is objective. There is nothing you can say that will change my mind about that! I'm kind of confused though, because reading your post makes me feel like you think you've disagreed with me, but you're making points in support of my argument:
You say taking a photo is its own skill, and that photos can be art - I agree. But notice what you said makes a photograph art: a person trained their eye for years and used their skills in the right moment; the value still comes from the mortal being spending time behind it. You admit this yourself when you dismiss phone selfies - that's literally my argument.
About slop, yes, "slop is not new" - it's made by lazy people, and lazy people don't get to make art. I said this in my first post; you've noticed the exact pattern I described. AI letting lazy people produce slop faster doesn't weaken my argument? More people just get to skip to the end result faster.
Your comment about games is another place you agree with me fully - you tolerate the bland AI graphics and you appreciate the mechanics and the story. In other words: the parts of the game a human being poured themselves into are the parts you value, and the generated parts are the parts you don't. That is my entire argument, in your own words, about your own experience??
As for the crayon drawing, I don't know, man... you calling it "memorabilia" doesn't change anything. You accept that the drawing has value completely independent of technique and you just called it memorabilia (which is art) instead of art... The 10,000,000 generated crayon drawings still belong on no fridge...
"It is possible to create actual art with it." - possible feels like a cheap word to me.. It is possible to hand infinite monkeys infinite typewriters, and one of them will write Shakespeare. A work with AI in it that has human parts and AI parts... well, the human parts don't get to keep their value. A work doesn't function like that. You experience it as one thing - I don't sit down to consider which parts were AI; the very use-of-AI step wrecks that for the whole piece of work at once - once AI was used anywhere, I can no longer know where. The artist can swear they only used it for the textures, but there's no way (and I don't want to - it shouldn't be my problem) for me to verify that.
You know how in sports, when an athlete is caught using steroids, we don't sit down and try to find out which races were clean, right? The athlete's out for good because the whole point of sports is to push mortal human capability, and the one cheating incident makes every result moot.
I am re-reading my post and yours, and I'm realizing I'm continuing to talk about why AI art is value-less, because that's my main point. This is because of this sentence at the core of your arguments: "But the skill involved to create an image with an ai is a completely different skill." The sentence you have written has no meaning; I literally do not understand it. You cannot create an image with an AI... the AI created the image. Sorry, it just makes no sense. "The skill to make a pizza from a restaurant and have it delivered to you is a completely different skill." - this is what it sounds like to me... The restaurant made the pizza... what?